I have discovered something very interesting in the Book of Enoch. In the 18th chapter, he is describing a journey with the angels, where they are flying in an angelic "spaceship" southwards on the earth, and coming to a place where there are pillars of heavenly fire. To me, this sounds like they were flying over Africa (from the Middle East), and coming to the South Pole, and watching the Southern Lights.
Enoch describes how he is passing several mountains, which quite well fits in with the mountains in east and south Africa. He passes over where the "waters collect", which obviously is where the oceans gather south of Africa. Then when they come to the place further south, he sees a deep rift, or abyss, which would suggest that Antarctica at that time was free from ice. And we know that there are ancient maps that seem to depict Antarctica as an ice-free landmass.
Now, over this abyss, where the heavenly fire goes up and down like immense pillars, there are seven stars. This is of course not stars here on earth, but stars hovering over the South Pole horizon. A well known formation of seven stars is the Pleiades. Were the stars Enoch saw the Pleiades? Several things seems to confirm this. Firstly, the angels tells him that certain fallen angels were to be bound to those stars, because of their mingling with women on earth.
This story is very similar to myths in Greece and Mesopotamia. In the Greek myth, seven women were put in the starry heaven because of their mingling with the Titans, by which they were made pregnant. This is also a clear parallel to Genesis 6. And in Enoch, which describes this story in detail, we read, in the chapter after chapter 18, that the women who were seduced by the fallen angels, were to be imprisoned together with those angels, among those seven stars. These Greek women were called the Pleiades, and therebye we know that those seven stars in Enoch must be the Pleiades.
Then there is also a myth from Mesopotamia, where seven demons were bound as seven stars in the sky. Also here those stars are identified as the Pleiades. This star formation was very well-known to all the ancients, because of its beautiful appearance and for its role for agricultural dates.
Thus we can be quite sure that the stars Enoch saw on the horizon above Antarctica, were the Pleiades.
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Enoch describes how he is passing several mountains, which quite well fits in with the mountains in east and south Africa. He passes over where the "waters collect", which obviously is where the oceans gather south of Africa. Then when they come to the place further south, he sees a deep rift, or abyss, which would suggest that Antarctica at that time was free from ice. And we know that there are ancient maps that seem to depict Antarctica as an ice-free landmass.
Now, over this abyss, where the heavenly fire goes up and down like immense pillars, there are seven stars. This is of course not stars here on earth, but stars hovering over the South Pole horizon. A well known formation of seven stars is the Pleiades. Were the stars Enoch saw the Pleiades? Several things seems to confirm this. Firstly, the angels tells him that certain fallen angels were to be bound to those stars, because of their mingling with women on earth.
This story is very similar to myths in Greece and Mesopotamia. In the Greek myth, seven women were put in the starry heaven because of their mingling with the Titans, by which they were made pregnant. This is also a clear parallel to Genesis 6. And in Enoch, which describes this story in detail, we read, in the chapter after chapter 18, that the women who were seduced by the fallen angels, were to be imprisoned together with those angels, among those seven stars. These Greek women were called the Pleiades, and therebye we know that those seven stars in Enoch must be the Pleiades.
Then there is also a myth from Mesopotamia, where seven demons were bound as seven stars in the sky. Also here those stars are identified as the Pleiades. This star formation was very well-known to all the ancients, because of its beautiful appearance and for its role for agricultural dates.
Thus we can be quite sure that the stars Enoch saw on the horizon above Antarctica, were the Pleiades.
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Though many interesting things can be attributed to the writing of first enoch, the "accuracy" of this book is a bit disturbing when we look at enoch's view of the earth. Seems to be rather of flat description. furthermore, the "storehouses" of such things as wind and lightings is obviously not true either. So therefore how can this book be considered truth in the face of what we know about the earth. No debatable science, but literal science. The earth is a circle, as the psalms, isaiah and other books of the bible state. And obviously the wind is not kept somewhere, nor lightning.
ReplyDeleteI have a hard time reconciling this book with accepted scripture. And my job and passion is not for reconciliation of writings, it's for truth. Truth is what i seek. Thus far, Christ is the savior, but in my discoveries the book of enoch is a bit hard to swallow. Though i am open to trying to understand enoch's view or vision as not being a literal view. I don't know... still thinking on that one... its going to hard for me to consider this writing significant.
well, could it be metaphorical? lol
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Deletebelieve me, i would love to believe in the book of enoch, but i can't allow my mind to enter into ignorance of obvious issues.
ReplyDeleteI think you have to admit that there are many things in the Bible too, that does not fit with what modern science has discovered. Isn't it possible there is a "prime directive" among the angels not to reveal such things as humans not are ready to know? Like when we learn our children about the world through childish parables instead of scientificly correct information. Once you realize that, you still can see that they got to know glimpts of real cosmological truth now and then.
ReplyDeleteWhen I read the Book of Enoch, I feel there is a spiritual connection with the Bible. It's like finding an older relative, this one a thousand years older.
All other apocrypha seems to be corrupt and false, but not the Book of Enoch.
well of course, as it says in revelation the MYSTERY of God (at the end) is now known to man. Suggesting so much will be secret until it's all over.
ReplyDeleteThe science of the bible or problems with the text are not so hard to answer but i think it's because ive studied the arguments so much and know the ground so well that i do not have an issue anymore. But Enoch i am not as familiar with, it's a new study to me and so i find myself a baby again. Ive tracked down manuscripts mentioned in the bible so as to expand my truth. (writings ONLY referred to by our own scripture, not the apocrypha) Like the book of jasher for instance. I'm only now studying enoch so i have yet to digest all possibility regarding this book.
what i cannot deny about enoch though, is the wealth of information on Jesus existing with the Father before his coming to earth and other things regarding the end of days that we are now close to. There are things that could not have been known. I could have understood this had it been written after Christ but it wasn't...
a possibility occurred to me. Trying to view all these things from enoch's point of view. He called these things visions and it reminded me of revelation. We know john saw visions of the future and many of these things were in the form of figurative creatures like the seven headed beast and this and that. we know that it's not referring to a literal beast but a kingdom. Theres stars falling to earth but we know what he saw was probably meteors or comets etc.
I reasoned with myself that it quite possibly could be the same thing. Enoch saw true concepts, but in figurative form possibly left for interpretation by those who "seek" and "knock". Thus the term "parable" attributed to some of these descriptions in the book.
I put this in context with the fact that Jesus told truths in parables. I remember the disciples asking why and his response was so that the people will not understand (the general uncaring population). But then he goes on to preach about the kingdom of God as a treasure to be sought after, knock and the door shall be opened seek and you shall find. So the parable's truth is really discovered by the one who seeks. pays attention, studies, diggs for truth.
The narrow road to heaven vs the broad road to hell.
we get the picture that heaven is not something that the general population can easily find, and with good reason.
hmmm i may be feeling better about this, given some prayer time for wisdom on it and i might be right as rain.
You are on the right thought path and know who to seek for the answers..
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So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish.
Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom.
So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense.
But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger than the greatest of human strength.
Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were wise in the world’s eyes or powerful or wealthy when God called you. Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful. God chose things despised by the world, things counted as nothing at all, and used them to bring to nothing what the world considers important. As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God.
God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin.
Therefore, as the Scriptures say, “If you want to boast, boast only about the Lord.”
http://bible.com/116/1co.1.20-31.NLT
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 NLT
When I first came to you, dear brothers and sisters, I didn’t use lofty words and impressive wisdom to tell you God’s secret plan. For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified. I came to you in weakness—timid and trembling. And my message and my preaching were very plain. Rather than using clever and persuasive speeches, I relied only on the power of the Holy Spirit. I did this so you would trust not in human wisdom but in the power of God.
Yet when I am among mature believers, I do speak with words of wisdom, but not the kind of wisdom that belongs to this world or to the rulers of this world, who are soon forgotten.
No, the wisdom we speak of is the mystery of God —his plan that was previously hidden, even though he made it for our ultimate glory before the world began. But the rulers of this world have not understood it; if they had, they would not have crucified our glorious Lord.
That is what the Scriptures mean when they say, “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him.”
But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets. No one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us. When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom.
Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths. But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others.
For, “Who can know the Lord ’s thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?” But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.
http://bible.com/116/1co.2.1-16.NLT
So i just wrote a whole book post on this and it turned out to be to big to post. That sucks lol
ReplyDeleteSo i will summarize. Enoch is a new study to me, so i find myself digesting much of what it says with an open mind to possibility.
What occurred to me in between now and the last post is that John in revelation saw visions also. Angels were his tour guide just like with enoch and we see that John sees many things which were true but in a figurative form, like a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. We know it wasn't a literal beast but a kingdom and leaders over that kingdom, one of which is the lawless one. John sees stars falling from heaven and a mountain thrown into the sea.
John of course used terms familiar to him but we understand that these things were references to a truth.
I consider that with 1st enoch it could be the same situation. Perhaps enoch saw things in a figurative or semi-realistic form, images meant to represent a truth but possible not literal forms or interpretations.
Thus the word "parable" for his writings. The fact that they were visions also lends possibility to this.
hmm. feeling a bit better about this book. Some prayer for wisdom on it and i will be right as rain.
Please listen to Steve Quayle amd pastor David Langford on some of these matters on many diff shows including the hagman n hagman report. Dave hodges the common sense show. Steve alberino is also a good one to study the research he has done.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for all those thoughts. That is just what I ponder when I read of Enoch's visits to heaven. Is it future revelations or did he see it in the presence? There were people there, but we know that no human souls less bodies came to heaven until after the Cross. So who are those righteous in heaven that Enoch saw? Glorified people from other star systems? That is what the Book of Enoch suggests, as the angels were able to procreate and thus must have had a biological prehistory.
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DeleteWhat's interesting is how it talks about earth being a starting point for the light of God, and all those in heaven will be asked to seek God and find that light... perhaps the earth becomes a witness to all the universe?
ReplyDeleteThis book is full of gold the more i read on and study. having the background context of the bible in mind, some of the key terms used fit perfectly the gospel.
For instance, the name the angels sought to know that was hidden. Through the name all things were created. I know before reading the end that the Gospel says through Christ all things were made so that name must be his if this book is truth.
and lo and behold, they say the name is that of the son of man.
I must say it's hard to imagine, after reading enoch, that little human beings would be aloud to lay violent hands on this glorious being.
I never saw that in the translations I've read (earth being a starting point for God's light), but perhaps that is also the mark of a scripture that is of God. Different truths spring forth in different translations, because the translator becomes a vessel for the revelational spirit of God.
ReplyDelete(Like with the Septuaginta, if you know what I mean.)
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read all the posts, wow what a fascinating topic!
ReplyDeletewish I had the time to read enoch right away but Ill do it first thing Ill get the chance, oh well why dont I just peek in right away :P hope its on the webpage
btw, that thing about lightning being kept somewhere, well I believe Choo Thomass visits to heaven and she was shown a place where water for the earth was kept. about Bible books describing the earth as a sphere and not flat like enoch, well I recall some verse from Job f ex where my Bible underline note says it proves this or that of what everyone knows about the earth now and noone knew before and I didnt read that out from the verse.
ok anyone still here after a year :)?
i have just recently come across this site, and i am glad to see people disscussing it.. The first time I read enoch I felt the same feeling of truth as I get from the bible, I have read all three books found on enoch and they get pretty wild, even going as far to say enoch was transformed into a powerful archangel that is over most other archangels and is now in charge of all records of life. The book of enoch 1 seems way to logical and familiar to not be directly related to the bible, to me the bible is incomplete without it. Anyway the book seemed to be talking about Jesus quite often, even to say he was our designer and he has created man before, books like this and the gospel of Nicodemus dig a little deeper as to the greatness and age of the spirit of jesus.
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ReplyDeleteBack then they would not have words to describe things they had never seen before. Isaiah 31:5 mentions horseless carriages. And remember there would not have been a lot of water on earth, nor had it rained until Noah built the ark. Consider the Mariana trench or continental rift where one plate goes under the other with Lava. Perhaps this is what he was seeing. Water would have been uncased under the earth except for a small ocean, and it is possible that we had water in the sky to protect from the powerful U.V. rays of the sun. There is a lot we don't know- we could have been closer. Jude says" The angels that left their place of habitation are in chains of darkness in tartarus. Jesus said when the heavens and earth were made the Stars sang. Stars are angels. They left their abode. Lucifer walked among the Firestone's. Perhaps he ruled a sun or planet. Have you considered Zechariah stichkins find and translation of the Sumerian text on the 12th planets nibiru? The Cherokee have a "Rattlesnake legend" of the pletes. The Navajo a blue kochina star. Some people say a dead star. There are supossedly planets around this star and it comes around every 3700 years. It makes Ezikial 28 come to life.
ReplyDeleteBlessings for your search.
Zechariah Sitchen was wrong about the Sumerian Tablets. Nibiru in Meso linguistics relate to "wandering" http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm
DeleteCome on people take the rose colored glasses off and see the real picture for once. What's happening in the world and beyond is a clear sign that something major is happening. If you think for one second that no one has altered the The Good Book than your being deceived. Why would The Lord add at the end a threatening remark stating that anyone that adds or removed from this book will be punished very badly. GOD IS ALL KNOWING AND IF HE KNEW NO ONE WAS GOING TO ALTER HIS WORD WHY TAKE THE TIME TO SAY IT! Enoch was taken out Bc those behind the scene whether humans/ elite on earth or other types of entities either here or from another place don't want you to know these things. Bc we know their greatest weapon is to stay hidden under the radar so we stay dumbed down to the real things going on in this world. I hate to say this but everything being discovered and revealed these days it seems as if our chances of turning this around and repenting are too late for our country. It's only a matter of time. Now I'm not
ReplyDeleteSaying that individuals should not pray nor should you stop praying for your country or fellow brothers and sisters in Christ for protection what I am saying make sure your relashonship with "THE ONE", The LION OF THE TEIBE OF JUDAH, is at its best! Much love for u brothers and sisters. These r interesting times we live in be READY! AMEN!
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